Interview:   Andreas Moritz and Raena Morgan  (2011)

Raena Morgan: It’s believed that the immune system protects us against cancer. Has your research indicated otherwise, Andreas?

Andreas Moritz: The immune system is always there to keep the body free of contaminants. We have things like macrophages that devour waste products, toxins, you know, chemicals get basically converted into harmless matter, and they are mostly circulating in the lymphatic system. So the immune cells that are there to first of all make sure the body is toxin free.

RM: Okay.

AM: If that is no longer possible because of organs such as the liver, the large intestine, the lungs and the kidneys and the skin, they become over-taxed with toxins, they’re no longer eliminating them as quickly as they are generated, then the body is basically forced to start accumulating them elsewhere, and that means in the tissue fluid surrounding the cells. And the lymphatic system has little ducts here and there, little capillaries that are draining away, it’s like vacuuming away, it’s like a vacuum,-

RM: Okay.

AM: -sucking up all of your harmful ingredients and metabolic waste products and then converting them, detoxifying them in the lymphatic system using the immune system’s arsenal of weapons.

RM: Right.

AM: And when there are simply too many toxins created, usually in the gastrointestinal tract, that then make their way into the lymphatic system, then the immune system gets tired, constantly battling those poisons, and they can no longer be removed. And that’s where the body starts accumulating toxins. So the first line of defense, the immune system, is working hard trying to keep the body healthy.

RM: But it gets overloaded.

AM: And then eventually, when the suffocation occurs, the cells can no longer breathe enough oxygen, they don’t get enough nutrients, and they will have to mutate into cancer cells in order to maintain some kind of functioning or to draw the poisons away, like mushrooms putting the poisons from the soil of the forest in order to keep the rest of the forest healthy. So in nature we have similar situations. In our body we do the same thing… if we become contaminated and then the immune system will make sure that it doesn’t attack those cancer cells, those particular types of cancer cells…

RM: It won’t?

AM: No, it won’t. Because when you look at a tumor, 60 percent of the cells in the tumor are actually white cells, white blood cells, that are immune cells, that are not doing anything to get rid of or kill the cancer cells. Typically, a healthy body will kill millions of cancer cells per day, because when you turn over 30 billion cells you always have some of them that are cancer cells, and the immune system immediately takes care of them. There are different ways to do that. Some cells, killer cells, they drill holes into the body of cancer cell and it explodes and it’s gone, and then the debris is also removed. So there’s no problem for the immune system doing that in a healthy person, but once you have suffocation building up in the body, it’s a totally different ball game. The immune system will be informed by the cancer cell, there’s a protein produced by the cancer cell that attaches itself to the surface of the cancer cell and says don’t touch me, and the immune cell is recognizing that and saying okay, I’m not going to touch you, so it leaves the cancer cells alone.

RM: It’s a protein.

AM: Yes. It’s a particular protein that is getting to the surface of the cancer cell and it says “Don’t touch me. Don’t do anything to me. I’m on your side. I’m a helper cell. I’m a cancer cell that does a good job. If you kill me, then I won’t be able to do that job, the dirty job in cleaning up the environment.” So the immune system is very, very clever. It’s just in medicine, conventional medicine, we think that the body is stupid.

RM: That’s true.

AM: It makes so many mistakes, 44,000 different mistakes. There is no such thing as a mistake. Even a genetic mistake, you know, that is something that is a compensation mechanism; it prevents a much more serious disaster that otherwise would happen. So again it’s important to take it into perspective that there is wisdom behind every action that the body is producing and it’s not that the body is just incapable and we need to rescue it. The healing always has to take place in the body, by the body, we cannot do that for the body. We can set the preconditions for the body to heal, and that is our job and that is the responsibility of every person. And sometimes we need a little help, you know, someone telling us what to do, but in real fact the body has to do the job of healing itself, there’s no other way.

RM: That’s very interesting, though, that you say the immune system backs off-

AM: Yes.

RM: -at a certain point when it can’t cleanse the body any longer.

AM: Yes. When it is, you’re basically passing on the responsibility of doing the dirty job that the lymphatic system and the immune system is no longer capable of, then the body will have to take recourse to cancer cells. Most of the contamination starts in the digestive system. Undigested food is the greatest source of poisoning the body. Bacteria that decomposed the undigested food produce amines, nitrosamines…poisons that are so poisonous if you smell it outside there’s fermenting, rotting food or an animal that is run over and a couple of days later you pass by and you smell that stench, that is the poison that we create in our body. So the body will have to defend itself against those poisons because they are absorbed into the lymphatic system from the intestines. The intestines are very protective of themselves, they don’t want that stuff to go through into the rectum area and cause severe damage to the rectum. It wants to make sure that the worst poisons are absorbed into the lymphatic system, where the poisons can be neutralized in some way or another. If they are initially dealt with by the immune system, or if they immune system is not capable of breaking them down, then they’re surrounded by fat cells or they’re absorbed by fat cells, and that requires an increase of fat growth in the body, or they are absorbed or surrounded by fluids that are then increasing the fluid content in the body, which we call swelling or weight gain. And so the weight gain begins in the gastrointestinal tract, mostly in the belly button area where there’s a lymph center, that is called cisterna chyli, and that is the larger lymph vessel system we have in the body, and that begins to become edemic as it tries to deal with the poisons, and that’s what you call “oh I’m getting a tummy, I’m starting to get fat.” And then it starts spreading to other parts of the body until the whole body is basically accumulating fat cells and fluids, water lymph fluid, which just shows how contaminated the body really it.

RM: Thank you for that information.

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